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Re: There we go

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:11 pm
by Digital Masta
killacross wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:50 pm
...even though San says things that may agree with my viewpoint in general...I question if he is serious or trolling like 90% of the time
I mean he did post a picture of Batman about to be blown by Wonder Woman so...yeah I'm in the same boat.

Re: There we go

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:44 pm
by San Goku
5G Towers being burned down in the UK during COVID19 lockdown: https://youtu.be/DyclA4jk5ek

Re: There we go

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:46 pm
by San Goku
Digital Masta wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:11 pm
killacross wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:50 pm
...even though San says things that may agree with my viewpoint in general...I question if he is serious or trolling like 90% of the time
I mean he did post a picture of Batman about to be blown by Wonder Woman so...yeah I'm in the same boat.
You know you liked that Bat meat joke lol
killacross wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:50 pm you respond/quote him a lot because you have the heart of a teacher

...even though San says things that may agree with my viewpoint in general...I question if he is serious or trolling like 90% of the time
I joke around a lot and of course troll. I can't be serious all the time and yet sometimes I am serious as well, right or wrong.

Re: There we go

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:57 pm
by xandorxerxes
I'm serious almost all of the time. It sucks.
San Goku wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:44 pm 5G Towers being burned down in the UK during COVID19 lockdown: https://youtu.be/DyclA4jk5ek
This is why we can't have nice things.

Re: There we go

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:33 pm
by San Goku
One of the conspiracy theories is that the pandemic is intentionally done so that the Government can install a bunch of 5G Towers and test them out.

To be fair I heard that the frequency that 5G runs on would be harmful to the human body over time.

Re: There we go

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:01 pm
by xandorxerxes
San Goku wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:33 pm One of the conspiracy theories is that the pandemic is intentionally done so that the Government can install a bunch of 5G Towers and test them out.

To be fair I heard that the frequency that 5G runs on would be harmful to the human body over time.
So in reading up on this, I learned that our wireless routers operate at frequencies in the 5g spectrum (2.4ghz and 5ghz). You've technically been subjecting yourself to 5g for decades. 5g is still a type of radio wave... it's just a higher frequency radio wave. We know that these frequencies are VERY dangerous to the human body... unless you account for skin. Another perspective is that visible light is a higher frequency than radio waves, so it would have to be something specific about the 5g frequency and not that it's 'higher frequency' that's the issue.

I'm guessing exposed eyes/mouth don't really play a factor, but that's a much larger rabbit hole than I want to jump down at the moment.

Re: There we go

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:18 am
by San Goku
The only way for level 6 autonomous vehicles to work is for 5G and up. Need a lot of towers for that. I really want to see autonomous vehicles be a norm in society, granted the tech is 100% full proof of glitches and faults. If a whole nation is using 5G and a ton of towers are going up it will affect the health of people.

Re: There we go

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:26 am
by San Goku

Re: There we go

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:24 am
by killacross
self-driving cars don't have to be 100% fool proof (if you think about it...walking isn't 100% fool proof, eating/drinking isn't 100% fool proof either -- which REALLY boggles my mind. I watched my 1 yr old daughter try to use a straw and almost drown...then I took a sip of water from the same glass..with 35x more experience than her........and almost drowned)


anyway..they just have to be better than the average human (they aren't yet) -- then insurance companies will lobby the government and be the biggest pushers of adopting the technology wholesale. I think it will happen in our lifetime but not within the next 10 yrs

*Edit* corrected misspelling after re-reading comment

Re: There we go

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:04 pm
by xandorxerxes
San Goku wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:18 am The only way for level 6 autonomous vehicles to work is for 5G and up. Need a lot of towers for that. I really want to see autonomous vehicles be a norm in society, granted the tech is 100% full proof of glitches and faults. If a whole nation is using 5G and a ton of towers are going up it will affect the health of people.
It won't affect it any more than 3g and 4g did. Again - everyone in first-world countries already has devices operating on 5g frequencies in their home. I wonder if the people burning the towers found that out if we could get them off the internet...

Why do autonomous vehicles need internet access at all? I won't even use a Nest unit or smart TV, you better believe I'm not getting into a vehicle that requires internet access.

Re: There we go

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:56 pm
by killacross
Smart TVs are awesome! But Yea....I dont understand the appeal of Echos, or Alexa, or Ring door bells, or air pods, or apple watches

...but then again, I dont have a facebook, insta, or twitter acct either.

self driving cars need internet because you would need access to changing road conditions...and to update maps...react to accidents on the fly (take detours to avoid the traffic jam)..and to go to 1 destination, then go to another...or to update the driving algorithm

...I could see tons of uses

Re: There we go

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:56 pm
by San Goku
Joe Rogan Learns About the Most SJW Comic Book Ever Made:


https://youtu.be/Ec7PKLR7k6Q

xandorxerxes wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:04 pm
San Goku wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:18 am The only way for level 6 autonomous vehicles to work is for 5G and up. Need a lot of towers for that. I really want to see autonomous vehicles be a norm in society, granted the tech is 100% full proof of glitches and faults. If a whole nation is using 5G and a ton of towers are going up it will affect the health of people.
It won't affect it any more than 3g and 4g did. Again - everyone in first-world countries already has devices operating on 5g frequencies in their home. I wonder if the people burning the towers found that out if we could get them off the internet...

Why do autonomous vehicles need internet access at all? I won't even use a Nest unit or smart TV, you better believe I'm not getting into a vehicle that requires internet access.
There not running on the true 5G, more of a light version on the spectrum.

Re: There we go

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:07 pm
by xandorxerxes
San Goku wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:56 pmThere not running on the true 5G, more of a light version on the spectrum.
Made me stop being lazy and do actual research, so I learned something today. Yay.

I'm assuming you're talking about the millimeter-wave technology at this point (the highest ends of the 5G spectrum). These are still lower frequency than visible light and infrared, so they're considered non-ionizing (i.e. don't cause cancer). Short version means that they're not carcinogens in and of themselves like UV, X-Ray, and Gamma rays would be. Given the nature of your work, I'm sure you know that low-frequency radiation (like infrared) can still cause damage from prolonged exposure to high-intensity radiation. Make something super powerful emit low-frequency radiation, and you can damage something by essentially cooking it (the heat damages skin/eyes/etc).

The massive 5G towers that are being burned are actually the low-frequency towers. The millimeter wave frequency towers actually have to be a lot closer to each other. This also means that they have to cover a much smaller area. Instead of massive towers for millimeter wave 5G, they actually use small backpack-sized stations that only cover a few hundred meters. So we'll be getting higher frequency waves, but at a much smaller intensity.

So if the new millimeter wave cell towers pumped out energy like current 4G towers do but where all over the place a few hundred meters apart, it might be problematic in that it might cause non-cancerous skin damage. That would also involve massive towers in the middle of large cities, so obviously that's right out.

TL;DR:

Millimeter wave/highest frequency 5g stations are too small and cover very little area, therefore their power requirements are also lower. They would be dangerous long-term under higher intensities, but their small nature with limited power only yields lower intensities. Large 5G towers are just there to supplant the 4G towers on lower frequencies.

Re: There we go

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:12 pm
by Digital Masta
killacross wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:56 pm Ring door bells
You don't see the the appeal of a door bell that shows you who's at your door? My doorbell has a camera on it so I can see whomever rings it. It's basically that but seeing them from anywhere.

Re: There we go

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:28 am
by killacross
Not really
...But I don't get a lot of unexpected visitors I guess

My beef is just the general trend of adding technology (Bluetooth in particular) to things that don't really need it (juicers, appliances, blenders, etc)
I want the technology to focus on tracking my packages that are being delivered (I'm looking at you USPS specifically )

Re: There we go

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:04 am
by San Goku
I feel you, like a smart fridge may not be necessary. We are moving towards the IoT era.

edit

New NAFTA goes into effect July 1.

Re: There we go

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:09 am
by xandorxerxes
The IoT is a terrible awful thing. Shit has absolutely no security, and companies leak data to everyone... when they don't just give it to the police. Ring systems have already been busted for literally turning every device over to police. Sure, it's great for catching the bad guy. It's also great for the guy who wants to stalk his ex or for someone seeing when homeowners leave so you can break in. Both of those scenarios have already happened with current technology.

I hate our surveillance state with a passion, and the IoT is only enabling it.

Re: There we go

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:15 am
by killacross
I think of my "standard" thermostat...it could connect to the internet to tell me the weather forecast for the week...but couldnt switch between hot/cold to maintain a steady temperature (I had to pay extra for that feature)

basically...every company has realized there is money to be made with metadata and apps...so they create pointless features and apps to get to that data

personally...I wish cars just came with a screen that you could connect/mirror your cellphone to...but then they couldnt sell the GPS update for $200/yr or the satellite radio subscription

Re: There we go

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:03 pm
by xandorxerxes
Found an Ars article I remembered reading from years back talking about a review Rapid7 (security company) did of 9 baby monitors. Think of the children!
The equally alarming finding out of the Rapid7 study is the response of manufactures when they received private reports of the vulnerabilities that were found. With the above-mentioned exception of Philips, none of the others responded with an expected timeline for producing fixes. One unnamed maker was impossible to contact, while several others didn't respond. Some companies questioned the motives behind the research and asked why they should respond at all.
Good on Philips, but obviously vendors give 0 shits about security.

https://arstechnica.com/information-tec ... e-moments/

Re: There we go

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:40 am
by Digital Masta
AMC theaters has basically declared war on Universal Studios.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/media/tr ... index.html

This seems like a really bad move because I can't see how they win this. The public has spoken and a major media conglomerate like NBCUniversal sees the writing on the wall. People want the movie on-demand service.

AMC has also threatened any other studio that decides to do the same thing.