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xandorxerxes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:10 am
I saw that on Rotten Tomatoes. May watch anyways just because CB was one of my original animes that I loved. Looks like most of the scores are driven by their "top critics" though. Apparently Wheel of Time is slowly coming around for people too, hoping CB stands up after initial fan butthurt.

Or maybe the show is shit? Why are the fans in the wrong or "butthurt" for being upset with it? As a comic book fan, I can tell you that I'm done giving these people the benefit of the doubt. Marvel and DC put out absolute trash comics now, they don't sell and they are being completely destroyed by manga. They hire woke writers that don't have the experience or talent to be writing the characters they have been given and have only been given these characters because of intersectional diversity hiring. The reason I bring this up is that it looks like CB is the same, really these people are all the same.

See, what they think is that ideology and politics must infuse everything because that's how they live their lives and they also know that they'd never make it if tried doing something original and getting people to buy it so they weasel their way into a position where they can hijack and already existing property with a strong fanbase. They can then inject all of their ideology and politics into it, they don't care about the source material, its history of the original creators. It's just a vehicle to deliver, as Critical Drinker puts it, "THE MESSAGE!"

Or they feel threatened by these people and don't push back against this stuff.

Respect the source material, Marvel used to do this pretty well with their films. Especially in the early days which is one of the reasons why Sam Raimi Spider-man is still the most beloved, because it got Peter and Spider-man right.

Cowboy Bebop is no different and I'm not even super crazy about Cowboy Bebop. But as someone that has properties that I love and is seeing what wokeness is doing to them I fully understand and respect the backlash.

See, they wanted to "fix" Cowboy Bebop

https://society-reviews.com/2021/11/22/ ... imes-ever/

And on top of the frustration with how Faye's personality is being portrayed now she's gay because OF COURSE. Which as far as I know she wasn't in the anime.

https://www.cbr.com/cowboy-bebop-faye-valentine-queer/

Respect the god damn source. This is not your experimental petri dish for your politics, it's an established universe with characters that have histories, established personalities, and motivations.

And on top of all that, it's may also be bad on the TV production front which is also why critics hate it. It's so bad that the wokeness can't save it.

Digital Masta wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:40 am

xandorxerxes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:10 am
I saw that on Rotten Tomatoes. May watch anyways just because CB was one of my original animes that I loved. Looks like most of the scores are driven by their "top critics" though. Apparently Wheel of Time is slowly coming around for people too, hoping CB stands up after initial fan butthurt.

Or maybe the show is shit? Why are the fans in the wrong or "butthurt" for being upset with it?

Going a bit out of context for what I was implying - I'm not saying the show isn't shit. I'm saying the fans that rate the show poorly just because it's not a transposition of the original are, in fact, in the wrong. I'm hoping, since I loved the original, that the show isn't shit and it's just a bunch of overly-passionate fans dragging the rating down.

And on top of all that, it's may also be bad on the TV production front which is also why critics hate it. It's so bad that the wokeness can't save it.

If wokeness was a factor for quality, CW wouldn't have shit ratings.

xandorxerxes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:13 am

Digital Masta wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:40 am

xandorxerxes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:10 am
I saw that on Rotten Tomatoes. May watch anyways just because CB was one of my original animes that I loved. Looks like most of the scores are driven by their "top critics" though. Apparently Wheel of Time is slowly coming around for people too, hoping CB stands up after initial fan butthurt.

Or maybe the show is shit? Why are the fans in the wrong or "butthurt" for being upset with it?

Going a bit out of context for what I was implying - I'm not saying the show isn't shit. I'm saying the fans that rate the show poorly just because it's not a transposition of the original are, in fact, in the wrong. I'm hoping, since I loved the original, that the show isn't shit and it's just a bunch of overly-passionate fans dragging the rating down.

And on top of all that, it's may also be bad on the TV production front which is also why critics hate it. It's so bad that the wokeness can't save it.

If wokeness was a factor for quality, CW wouldn't have shit ratings.

Fair enough.

My comment about not saving them was in regards to the fact that critics typically praise the whole woke stuff. Of course it doesn't actually translate to ratings because it's trash but the message must be pursued.

Digital Masta wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:44 pm

xandorxerxes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:13 am

Digital Masta wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:40 am

Or maybe the show is shit? Why are the fans in the wrong or "butthurt" for being upset with it?

Going a bit out of context for what I was implying - I'm not saying the show isn't shit. I'm saying the fans that rate the show poorly just because it's not a transposition of the original are, in fact, in the wrong. I'm hoping, since I loved the original, that the show isn't shit and it's just a bunch of overly-passionate fans dragging the rating down.

And on top of all that, it's may also be bad on the TV production front which is also why critics hate it. It's so bad that the wokeness can't save it.

If wokeness was a factor for quality, CW wouldn't have shit ratings.

Fair enough.

My comment about not saving them was in regards to the fact that critics typically praise the whole woke stuff. Of course it doesn't actually translate to ratings because it's trash but the message must be pursued.

That's true. I assumed the wokeness-praising would die down after the initial virtue signaling. To find out it didn't is sigh-inducing.

California continues to show it's a terrible place. Nice job San Francisco.

You mean people shouldn't be allowed to loot stores? And not even for food...but for designer clothes and jewelry and etc etc etc?

Reminds me of that Boondocks episode where R Kelly was on trial....and they give Tom hell because he's married to a white woman...and then riot/protest for R Kelly because he starts singing in the courtroom

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Xandor, take it from me.

I watched it.......it's utter bovine fecal matter.
I genuinely had hopes that it would just be your typical Netflix "Shit", with some redeeming qualities mix in, but not necessarily rising to the level of Deathnote bad.

I gives me no pleasure to report that in many respects, it sails right past deathnote into the territory of borderline irredeemable.
Granted I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge that the strength of this rebuke owes much of its energy to my inability to separate my nostalgic reverence for the anime, and the historical place of importance it holds in general to the anime industries turn of the century western breakout.

But still..........ugh.

Cane_The9lives wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:07 pm Xandor, take it from me.

I watched it.......it's utter bovine fecal matter.
I genuinely had hopes that it would just be your typical Netflix "Shit", with some redeeming qualities mix in, but not necessarily rising to the level of Deathnote bad.

I gives me no pleasure to report that in many respects, it sails right past deathnote into the territory of borderline irredeemable.
Granted I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge that the strength of this rebuke owes much of its energy to my inability to separate my nostalgic reverence for the anime, and the historical place of importance it holds in general to the anime industries turn of the century western breakout.

But still..........ugh.

Blegh.

Told ya
...new strain of COVID

It's never going away.

killacross wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:55 pm Told ya
...new strain of COVID

It's never going away.

I just read an article on this I was going to share, too:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11 ... f-concern/

Notably:

We are lucky in the sense that it's relatively easy to detect Omicron. According to the WHO, some of the large collection of mutations in the gene that encodes the spike protein interfere with the gene's recognition by common versions of PCR tests. Those tests continue to recognize the presence of the virus by also targeting other areas of the genome. So a PCR test that comes back spike-negative but virus-positive is suggestive of the presence of Omicron, which can then be confirmed by genome sequencing.

Also, the comments on the science articles on Ars generally higher caliber. You'll see a bunch of joke type posts, but you'll also see some with valuable input. I read the first one about the severity of the virus and looked it up - the doctor who detected Omicron is saying that the variant is much milder in severity, so it looks like it traded up infectivity for lower severity. That's good news - the biggest problem with COVID is the mortality rate and slamming our hospitals. If it becomes more like a cold or the flu instead of 100 times worse, I'll take it. We shouldn't need to lock down for Omicron if that's the case, but we don't actually have good data yet.

killacross wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:55 pm Told ya
...new strain of COVID

It's never going away.

smfh

All you DM

https://www.instagram.com/p/CW02-kvlBuV/?hl=en

killacross wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:02 pm All you DM

https://www.instagram.com/p/CW02-kvlBuV/?hl=en

Like I said before, I just feel bad for her. But also like I said before, she really is the living embodiment of that "Here's that attention you ordered!" meme.

I'm still waiting for her to give back all the money she made while being a woman. She took those roles from women so...

I really don't get it. he's living the happiest life he's had, he's not harming anyone... Who cares what he does to himself?

xandorxerxes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:07 pm I really don't get it. he's living the happiest life he's had, he's not harming anyone... Who cares what he does to himself?

We went over this a while back, when the whole Oprah thing happened but you love fighting with me so I'll just say this (was gonna make it longer but no).

-Promoting that boys compete with girls in areas where they have clear advantages is not "not harming anyone"

-Promoting that women (and men by extension) don't deserve to have spaces of their own without the opposite sex present is not "not harming anyone"

-Condemning people as bigots who acknowledge that biology is real and that maybe kids should be left out of the trans conversation is not "not harming anyone"

However, Page, when he gets political, seems to be a true believer that actually thinks there is some war on trans people, I mean full panic porn and for that reason, I said way back that I feel bad for him.

And IIRC you've posted your views on trans athletes, (no shock) it's different/opposite of mine. I think the only thing we agree on politically is privacy.

Digital Masta wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:07 pm We went over this a while back, when the whole Oprah thing happened but you love fighting with me so I'll just say this (was gonna make it longer but no).

And IIRC you've posted your views on trans athletes, (no shock) it's different/opposite of mine. I think the only thing we agree on politically is privacy.

Don't underestimate how forgetful I am, I didn't remember that until you reminded me! I remembered the athlete discussion, not so much the Page one. I'm also not really trying to be combative (except COVID, I will fight that one), I'm naturally argumentative though. I promise it's not just you.

We actually align a bit on politics, but some/most(?) of the major issues that made the news we differ on at some level. I feel that any disagreements we have are at a smaller level, as opposed to a larger one. I know I probably seem like some leftist extremist, but I really, really don't align with them either. A couple of the larger highlights just off the top of my head:
- politics should remain as local as possible (the difference I believe is that I escalate as soon as it crosses regional boundaries)
- capitalism works fine as our economic system (and the difference being that I think we need a strong safety net)
- the rioters and looters for any protest (BLM or otherwise) should be arrested, charged, and subject to any civil suit.
- our foreign involvement should be limited to our own self-interests.

Even for Page et al:
- His comments can and should be argued against as their own statements. My not caring about him taking a picture of himself doesn't imply I agree with everything he says. I just don't think we should give a single iota of a shit about him posting a selfie (unless someone follows the celebrity scene in which case knock yourself out I guess, but y'all don't seem like you do). I believe I said before I agree with you about the bigot comment now that I'm thinking about it, but I can't actually recall.
- I think we actually mostly agree on trans athletes - I just don't see the issue once they've fully transitioned. If there are individual athletes that create unique issues, those can be addressed on that singular level.
- We largely agree on non-adult transitions too, but those are really rare and not done just because a parent wants to. Like the previous one I think there are probably unique circumstances that should be judged as unique cases instead of a blanket "ban them all." I also have no problem with the puberty-body-blockers as long as the data continues to show that there's no long-term harm. I'd go as far as to say I prefer that as a solution than transitioning someone early, but I've also not read up at all on current psychology in the area (still).

Tl;DR - I think our disagreements aren't usually over entire policies, just smaller aspects of them. /whatyouwannafightaboutit.gif

I honestly believe that if DM and I met in real life....We'd get along just fine

If XX and I met in real life... We'd get along just fine.

If XX and DM met in real life... They'd be in a full blown debate in under 30 mins...tops.

You are both polar opposites... But neither of you strike me as extremist left or right.

Truth be told... I started as pretty left of center. I was socially very liberal... And fiscally very conservative. As time has gone on... The conservatives no longer care about budgets and instead try to buy votes... And the liberals have gone soooo far left that they've left me behind. I'm more center, right now. Technically, liberals care more about illegals than they do ADOS at this point. Which is why the whole story of paying illegals $500k for being separated from kids is insane. There are people who won't make that in their lifetime while being upstanding citizens... And yet they would give it to criminals because of feelings [and votes obviously]

killacross wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:18 pm
If XX and DM met in real life... They'd be in a full blown debate in under 30 mins...tops.

You are both polar opposites... But neither of you strike me as extremist left or right.

Accurate.

I also grew up left of center simply because I grew up in NYC and New Jersey. BUT "black left of center" is often very different from what I guess you'd call "white left of center" or "traditional left of center" because black people tend to vote for left-wing politicians but are typically socially VERY conservative. But that's also because blacks used to vote consistently Republican 80+ years ago.

I grew up with successful black parents, that moved from middle class to upper-middle class. My dad constantly telling me and my brothers, "Be so good, you can't be ignored." "You can do whatever you want but you have to work for it." but my parents were never about blaming white people. In fact, my dad worked in finance and was often the only black guy in his group of work friends and he was loved by them. It's funny, my parents have been successful to the point where I think they feel pressured to be more "Oh, poor black people" than before. I grew up with an aunt that would say awful things about white people. She's mellowed the hell out over the years though but her daughter (my cousin) and inherited some of that. The funny thing about that, she stopped teaching kids in DC and moved to adults because she realized that she couldn't help these "little niggas" lol. She basically got slapped in the face with the negative aspects of black culture. She's a vice principal somewhere now.

At one point in my life, I even held a little of a "white privilege" idea in my head but it was never to the extent that exists now.

Voted for Obama the 1st time and then Jill Stein the 2nd time because she was pro-weed. I knew NOTHING about politics back then.

Then I stumbled upon a Stephan Molyneux video in 2015 and my brain exploded and I was "red-pilled" as they call it. I had basically found the values that aligned with what I felt in my core but couldn't explain. It was a tough transition too. I was hearing some things that were the polar opposite of what I had been led to believe but I just couldn't stop searching for more. It didn't turn me away, it drew me in.

Oh, I'm an anarchist/anarcho-capitalist/libertarian/voluntarist whatever the hell you want to call it. I'm pro-liberty, pro-non-aggression and I acknowledge that objective, universal truths exist. Oh...and the state is evil.

There is this idea that political views are also genetic, in that people are naturally pre-disposed to particular political views over others. To be honest, that's what happened to me. When I started going down this rabbit-hole everything just connected with me. I was like, "OH MY GOD...THIS MAKES SENSE! WHY WAS I NEVER TAUGHT THIS!"

I'm not right-wing, I'm not left-wing. But other people's standards they'd say I was right-leaning so whatever. That's fine if they think that. But because the left jumped off a cliff I and many others are seen as very right-wing.

My views have evolved slightly over the past 3 years or so to the point now where I'm done with trying to convince people outside of my "tribe". That doesn't mean we can't interact, talk, do business with one another but I'm not wasting my time with you in the long run. I would rather be surrounded by like-minded people (doesn't mean we agree on everything) that share common goals and culture than people who are completely opposed to me and my values. You go play in your sandbox and I'll go play in mine and when it makes sense for us to play together we will.

I think of it like the Jewish community (and it's been very successful for them). That is easily one of the most insular, non-outsider accepting communities on earth, mainly for orthodox but even for non-religious. Of course, they still interact with and have friends outside of the group but when shit hits the fan, support from the group is where they go. My old college suitemate was telling me about how (we both studied film, he was Jewish) there was a major group out in Hollywood that helped Jewish people get jobs in the industry. Only Jewish people and it was a group with deep connections.

I think communities are the future, I think that's where we are going as a society where you depend more on your group (whatever that may be) and less and less on people outside of it. It doesn't have to be tied to race or religion either. My "group" isn't.