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San Goku wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:14 am XX are Trump's concerns legitimate ?

xandorxerxes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:28 pm

San Goku wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:14 am XX are Trump's concerns legitimate ?

About voter fraud? Nah. There will be a recount in these super close states anyways, and historically recounts haven't changed much since the process is pretty strong. I can't even imagine the level of effort it would take to fake all of these votes and do it in a way no one notices, it can't be detected, and no one leaks about it. I'm sure there are some bad ballots out there, only not anywhere near the order of magnitude it would take to be impactful. He's been setting this up since he got in office.

Holy Cowboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:40 pm Under normal circumstances, this would be more believable. However, if you had 2-4 years to prepare for 'showtime' with testing grounds and refining methods time before said 2-4 years??

killacross wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:36 am Voting fraud is a real thing. It's why people get prosecuted for it. Large scale voting fraud is not a real thing. It's the US -- not Egypt.

Personally...I wish the government petitioned VISA or MC to create a voting system. I've never once signed into my acct and money that isn't mine was there accidentally.

And the entire network is updated just about instantly. Doesn't seem hard. Register for a card and a pin. The system verifies you. You get it mailed to you. Then you need the card/pin to vote. Eliminates a lot of fraud...though I guess it disenfranchises the homeless (they can't receive something in the mail).

xandorxerxes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:38 pm

Holy Cowboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:40 pm Under normal circumstances, this would be more believable. However, if you had 2-4 years to prepare for 'showtime' with testing grounds and refining methods time before said 2-4 years??

Thinking out loud (this got too long, sorry):

To compromise mail-in voting you'd have to have a physical address to deliver the ballots to, an identity to assume, and match a signature. You can't use existing people, as there's a good chance you hit someone who's an actual voter and you'd have to pilfer their mail. You're also likely unable to match their signature. So you'd have to forge millions of identities, identify addresses to receive their ballots (keeping in mind that delivering 100,000 mail in ballots to one location is suspicious), and sufficiently but imperfectly match the signatures each time. Also for some states you have to use their special, marked paper that mail-in ballots use.

You'd also have to do this without alerting the USPS, skewing metrics that would identify your ballots as fraudulent (i.e. a county can't suddenly have a population boost), and keeping a lid on everyone who knows anything about the operation - even if they're unaware of what's actually going on. If the USPS was in on it from the start you can get around the part about delivery, but USPS is operated by a Trump political appointee. If you want to get around him you're talking about going directly to lower level individuals, who then have to get around their bosses as well. So that means if you're testing for a few years... you also have to get it right on every try because if you mess up once you're done. Finally, you'd have to know how many votes you need as well as proportional mail-in rates in other states.

Keep in mind that it looks like these are slowly coming in after magically appearing to be counted... but these votes that are being reported now were ones that were all delivered on or before election day. There were several states that started way blue because they counted mail-ins first, only to swing red at the end when the in-person voting was tabulated. If PA allowed for mail-in ballots to be processed before election day, we'd have known November 3rd what PA's result was. You also see that states that normally had heavy Republican mail-in voting, like Arizona, don't really have the issue of Biden getting overwhelming mail-in results. Biden repeatedly said stay home and vote by mail, Trump repeatedly said vote in person. Unless the mail-ins are counted first - which they aren't in any of the currently contested states - the results will always look like they're in Trump's favor while the mail-ins are being processed.

This was written several days before the election talking about why you'll see the swings:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... ion-night/

I just can't imagine someone being able to pull this off AND keep it silent, all without leaving a single trace of evidence.

San Goku wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:13 am

xandorxerxes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:38 pm

Holy Cowboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:40 pm Under normal circumstances, this would be more believable. However, if you had 2-4 years to prepare for 'showtime' with testing grounds and refining methods time before said 2-4 years??

Thinking out loud (this got too long, sorry):

To compromise mail-in voting you'd have to have a physical address to deliver the ballots to, an identity to assume, and match a signature. You can't use existing people, as there's a good chance you hit someone who's an actual voter and you'd have to pilfer their mail. You're also likely unable to match their signature. So you'd have to forge millions of identities, identify addresses to receive their ballots (keeping in mind that delivering 100,000 mail in ballots to one location is suspicious), and sufficiently but imperfectly match the signatures each time. Also for some states you have to use their special, marked paper that mail-in ballots use.

You'd also have to do this without alerting the USPS, skewing metrics that would identify your ballots as fraudulent (i.e. a county can't suddenly have a population boost), and keeping a lid on everyone who knows anything about the operation - even if they're unaware of what's actually going on. If the USPS was in on it from the start you can get around the part about delivery, but USPS is operated by a Trump political appointee. If you want to get around him you're talking about going directly to lower level individuals, who then have to get around their bosses as well. So that means if you're testing for a few years... you also have to get it right on every try because if you mess up once you're done. Finally, you'd have to know how many votes you need as well as proportional mail-in rates in other states.

Keep in mind that it looks like these are slowly coming in after magically appearing to be counted... but these votes that are being reported now were ones that were all delivered on or before election day. There were several states that started way blue because they counted mail-ins first, only to swing red at the end when the in-person voting was tabulated. If PA allowed for mail-in ballots to be processed before election day, we'd have known November 3rd what PA's result was. You also see that states that normally had heavy Republican mail-in voting, like Arizona, don't really have the issue of Biden getting overwhelming mail-in results. Biden repeatedly said stay home and vote by mail, Trump repeatedly said vote in person. Unless the mail-ins are counted first - which they aren't in any of the currently contested states - the results will always look like they're in Trump's favor while the mail-ins are being processed.

This was written several days before the election talking about why you'll see the swings:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... ion-night/

I just can't imagine someone being able to pull this off AND keep it silent, all without leaving a single trace of evidence.

You forgot a very important thing about USPS appointee and his underlings, USPS has a large and strong Union. I assume each local and state Union are different state to state. Not saying that they have anything shady to do, but if they wanted to they could.

This election reminds me of NARCOS, I forget what season but there was massive fraud with the ballots all over the country.

@killa I disagree, there can be massive fraud across the state/country if you believe the man in power (Trump) is a racist or similar to Hitler. Then morally and ethically you can feel you get a pass.

Edit

People do it for money too lol

San Goku wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:24 am You forgot a very important thing about USPS appointee and his underlings, USPS has a large and strong Union. I assume each local and state Union are different state to state. Not saying that they have anything shady to do, but if they wanted to they could.

This election reminds me of NARCOS, I forget what season but there was massive fraud with the ballots all over the country.

@killa I disagree, there can be massive fraud across the state/country if you believe the man in power (Trump) is a racist or similar to Hitler. Then morally and ethically you can feel you get a pass.

Edit

People do it for money too lol

San Goku wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:32 am On the radio I heard Kanye West got 60,000 votes. The cost for his Presidential campaign was $9,000,000.00. I hope he can write that off when he does his taxes lol.

San Goku wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:51 pm Simple solution just recount all the legal votes in key battleground states.

I'm seeing on Fox that there is an incidental of a 'software glitch' that turned Republican votes to Democrats. Lol @ glitch, but that is another way for massive voter fraud that I didn't even consider.

I think this long stretched out election is good for America, it avoids (or maybe just delays the inevitable) of violence and killing if Trump or Biden becomes the victor.

But they said any such errors in any county would be caught during the canvassing process, before results are declared official, when boards composed of two Democrats and two Republicans compare the numbers on the tapes printed from the tabulators to the unofficial results that were reported to the state.

San Goku wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:48 pm Looks like it's officially over now. Probably the craziest election I'll ever see in my life time.

xandorxerxes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:15 pm if at all, he tries to reestablish checks on government agencies.

Digital Masta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:09 pm

xandorxerxes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:15 pm if at all, he tries to reestablish checks on government agencies.

That's never going to happen.