The Naruto Manga Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Naruto Manga' started by ApackOf12Ninjas, Jan 21, 2009.

  1. Vigilante The Outlaw Torn

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    THIS WHOLE SERIES IS BASED ON GRUDGES. THIS COULD HAVE ALL BEEN PREVENTED WITH A GROUP THERAPY SESSION.
  2. Cane_The9lives Indubitably.

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    Little late on the uptake are we? The cycle of violence in the ninja world,(almost as if fated) and the desire to end it has been the underlying central premise to the manga since its very inception, its simply continuing to expand. It's easily analogous to the real world, because admittedly it is quite the cliche plot. Im having a hard time understanding how you are seemingly just now coming to this realization 600+ chapters in.
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  3. batistakittu kerakage

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  4. Digital Masta Peek A Boo

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    So...something I just realized. Both Obito and Rin graduated from the Academy at 9 years old while Kakashi graduated at 5 years old and became a Chuunin at 6. So either Kakashi is 3 years younger than all of them (which isn't the case) or it's a plot hole. Everyone from that generation is around the same age.
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  5. Khari Scrub soldier

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    I'm sorry you guys but holy shit this arc was complete garbage to me, the resolution sucks the start sucked the middle sucked and there was probably one or two good fights throughout the entire thing. Now if Madara and Obito didn't get one shotted MAYBE it can be saved but even then I fucking doubt it. Maybe I'm just overreacting buuut this manga seems like complete shit now.
  6. Cane_The9lives Indubitably.

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    Question, how does the resolution of the arc suck, when it hasnt been reached? A resolution is the ending of a narrative, having resolved the climax that had preceded it. And again I dont understand your fixation with this "one shot" as if that singular event irreparably damaged everything that led up to it.
  7. batistakittu kerakage

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    and an comment in FB
    "It's not fail.. It's right, Itachi is lineless, Pein joined Konoha, kakashi have makeup, Naruto convinsed to cloud village, Itachi came back, and Naruto cut off his whiskers"
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  8. Cane_The9lives Indubitably.

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    The missing lines and whiskers are obvious screw-ups, but the headband seem almost blatant, like little easter eggs. I mean he has been writing this manga for over a decade now, how do you mix up a konoha and hidden cloud insignia? They look utterly nothing alike in almost every way.
  9. UNTZ Well-Known Member

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    I just realized how foolish Kabuto was and how he passed up a good chance to become insanely strong.

    Kabuto showed he could absorb the abilities and jutsu of others by absorbing their DNA. With all the DNA we know he had, how come he only incorporated Team Hawk and the Sound Five and not the past Kages or anything as well? We know he had their DNA for the Edo Tensei.

    Even if there is a limit to the number of people whose DNA he could absorb, he could have went for a better combination. I would’ve went with Juugo (for indefinite Sage Mode), Uchiha Madara (self-explanatory), Senju Hashirama (self-explanatory), Uchiha Itachi (for Totsuka Sword and Yata Mirror), Third Raikage (insane durability and hax lightning jutsu), Namikaze Minato (speed and Hiraishin), and Second Tsuchikage (stealth, flight, and Dust Release).
  10. zack_strife The Fallan One

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    just because he has their dna incorporated doesn't mean he gains excess to their jutsu or speed etc. Juugo and hashirama i give you because they are bloodline limits and like yamato and the curse seals can be learned over time to control, having uchiha dna doesnt automatically mean his eyes turn to sharigan, he needs Uchiha eyes for that to happen. Itachi Tostsuka sword and mirror are items given to his susanno, and having the 3rd raikage and tschikage may give him access to those chakra natures but not how to use/ combine them to perform the formers jutsu.
  11. UNTZ Well-Known Member

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    Kabuto demonstrated use of Jirobo’s Earth jutsu and Tayuya’s flute genjutsu and Kabuto stated that it was because he absorbed their DNA, not because he learned them. Neither of those techniques are bloodline abilities. Kabuto pretty much implies that he can absorb a person’s abilities and jutsu just by absorbing their DNA. I remember when those chapters first came out, a lot of people complained about how that doesn’t make any sense; and I agree with them. He might be able to gain a person’s bloodline limit, but he shouldn’t know how to use it nor should he have gained their learned, nonbloodline abilities. But that’s what Kishi came up with.

    It was never stated that the Totsuka Sword and Yata Mirror were items given to Itachi. It seems to me that they are a part of his Susanoo like Sasuke’s arrows or the Yasaka Magatama (which both Itachi and Madara have). It just looks like each user’s Susanoo has different abilities in addition to a different appearance.

    As for the 3rd Raikage, I think his durability is the most important addition and that appears to be related to his bloodline. In the anime, when Mabui used her teleportation jutsu on the 4th Raikage and Tsunade, she stated that only the 3rd Raikage was able to survive it in the past because of his durability, but that the 4th Raikage could probably survive it as he is part of the 3rd Raikage's bloodline. Not sure if that applies to canon though. In the manga, she says only the 3rd Raikage was able to survive it and tells Tsunade that if his son, the 4th Raikage, can't survive it then Tsunade couldn't either. Of course, both of them were able to survive and the 4th Raikage was apparently undamaged.

    
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  12. El Mas Chingon Don't Trip

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    Yah i agree. There is obviously something special about those Raikages and their durability. Those are the only 2 people the manga has mentioned able to go toe to toe with a tailed beast. Im sure people like Hashirama and Madara manga can fight tailed beasts also but they will need their jutsu and techniques....... but Raikages actaully take it head on and rely on their taijutsu. Hell even the 4th Raikage took of a piece of the 8 tails horn.
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  13. XandorXerxes Sannensei

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    Have to take the good with the bad though - remember when he absorbed Orochimaru's DNA, it almost took him over. He has to have the power to keep it in check. I don't think absorbing Juugo or Hashirama's DNA would be good for him - Juugo had issues controlling himself, and Hashirama is far stronger than Orochimaru. There's also the issue of him potentially absorbing too many people - the sum of power of a lot of little guys plus a strong guy could push him over.
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  14. UNTZ Well-Known Member

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    Kabuto did absorb Juugo's DNA, which gave him an unlimited duration for Sage Mode. Obito, Yamato, and Madara didn't show any problems with Hashirama's DNA, but your explanation could explain why their abilities in Mokuton were so much weaker than Hashirama's. They had to weaken his power so they wouldn't lose control. Actually, Danzo did lose control of Hashirama's cells at the end of his fight.

    Still, even weakened from the originals, I think Kabuto could have chosen a better combination. A few strong guys can be superior to a lot of little guys.
  15. Bobby BottleService All I do is win!

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    a little bit of one one the big guys cells sent him into hiding for years to control. Kabuto is not stupid. If some of oro's cells almost took him over, a lil bit of Hashirama's added would have pushed him over the edge. And it's also very important to add that kabuto only analyzed juugo's DNA and only took his ability to absorb natural energy.

    As for the reason he didn't take Hashirama's cells, did Oro ever take them? no. They did experiments and only one child survived. Oro is a scientist and he knew that if he tried that with himself he would die. The experiments Oro did on Danzou were not something he wanted for himself. He wanted a real Uchiha body so it wouldn't strain his eyes. If he had a real Uchiha body, integrating Hashirama's dna in that body would have been easy. That would have been the ONLY way Oro would have put Hashirma's dna in himself for two reason 1. He wouldn't have to worry about running his chakra reserves dry after doing two jutsus and more importantly, 2, he wanted a fully functional sharingan.

    Kabuto only wanted to complete Orochimaru's work and have the power Orochimaru always wanted. Have you thought to yourself that the only reason kabuto wanted Sasuke was to take his body and become the So6P?
  16. Bobby BottleService All I do is win!

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    Not necessarily. It's the jutsus that they pass down." A" got his lightning armor and taijutsu and Darui inherited the Black lightning. If you think about "B" and how he fights he could probably survive too for the simple fact that they're fighting style centers around taijutsu and having a hard body.

    The raikages could fight a tailed beast with only their taijutsu because they are taijutsu specialist. And they use the offensive power of the raiton to enhance their already deadly taijutsus to inhuman levels. So, they do use jutsus just not like everyone else. Think about Ichigo and his bankai. Ichigo's bankai is an armor that is worn. It doesn't make less of a bankai than everyone else's and it doens't make it any less powerful. The Raikage's body armor is a ninjutsu used to enhance taijutsu.
  17. UNTZ Well-Known Member

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    It was never in question that Kabuto wanted an Uchiha body and wanted to become like the So6P. He said he wanted to be like the Sage several times. I did say that Danzo lost control of Hashirama’s cells, so you’re right that Kabuto could have been waiting for an Uchiha body to better control it. Oro never took Hashirama’s cells, but then he hadn’t yet found a body strong enough to learn Sage Mode yet either. None of this changes my point that Kabuto could have used a better combination of DNA or that few strong guys can be superior to a lot of little guys. The Second Tsuchikage’s stealth abilities alone would have been useful and only Gaara and Naruto have shown ways to detect him.

    The Third Raikage’s hard body and his lightning jutsu are two separate things. The Raikage’s “body armor” is never called or shown to be the result of a ninjutsu. He does have lightning armor that does act as additional protection, but its main purpose is speed and piercing power for attack. His strong body is completely separate. Naruto’s FRS blew away the lightning armor but didn’t penetrate his body. I have just watched the anime episode and have the manga pages in front of me right now. Mabui said that Third Raikage had flesh like steel and blood like iron which allowed him to survive the teleportation. In the anime, Mabui outright says that A can survive it because he is part of the Third Raikage’s bloodline. And didn’t even have his lightning armor active when he was teleported, so the strong body is clearly separate from the lightning armor.

    And even if it was the result of jutsu, Kabuto already showed even can gain nonbloodline abilities too. Kabuto demonstrated use of Jirobo’s Earth jutsu and Tayuya’s flute genjutsu and Kabuto stated that it was because he absorbed their DNA, not because he learned them. Neither of those techniques are bloodline abilities. Kabuto pretty much implies that he can absorb a person’s abilities and jutsu just by absorbing their DNA. I remember when those chapters first came out, a lot of people complained about how that doesn’t make any sense; and I agree with them. He might be able to gain a person’s bloodline limit, but he shouldn’t know how to use it nor should he have gained their learned, nonbloodline abilities. But that’s what Kishi came up with.
  18. Bobby BottleService All I do is win!

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    you are also forgetting to take into consideration that Kabuto thought he was invincible and that no one could possibly beat him once he became a sage and had Karin's regenerative abilities, suigetsus liquification, hermit mode along with juugo's ability to draw natural energy and Oro's snake rebirth etc. Tell me some abilities in this manga that are more special than those i listed? Just because sasuke's teammates are not considered up there with sasuke in terms of strength doesn't make their abilities any less special. Being able to regenerate anything is something only tsunade and the first has been capable of doing. Completely reducing yourself into a liquid and back is something we've never seen. Oro's rebirth ability was absolutely ridiculous and OP from day one. I just reread the flashback during the Kabuto vs Itachi and Sasuke fight, and kabuto was completely mauling oro's body and after that another oro just popped out of his old body like it was nothing. Sage Mode doesn't need any explanation. We all know how OP that is already. Thank God Naruto had that one weakness to counteract the huge power boost at the time. But wait.....Kabuto doesn't have that weakness. His body naturally draws in natural energy without any effort from him.

    You keep saying Kabuto could have taken in more special abilities. Please give me a list of abilities more special than those. Mu's ability doesn't compare and neither does the raiton armor. Kabuto and Oro did research on thousands of abilites and those were the ones that stood out. Even Sasuke, when forming his team, went and recruited those three.

    Kabuto couldn't be killed, had tremendous chakra reserves and attacking power. He was confident for a reason and it took some bullshit jutsu to defeat him. What more does an invincible ninja need? Kabuto took the best set of abilities to make himself invincible and ,to some extent, he was.
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  19. Vicious Blank

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    All that aside... I am still waiting on my Rikudo Sennin Arc. Why hasn't something been done surrounding the father of all. Fuck the myth stuff.. I want to see him and his 2 sons in action.
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  20. UNTZ Well-Known Member

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    Oro’s and Juugo’s abilities were definitely a good choice and I’ve already said so. Sakon/Ukon’s DNA was needed to help absorb the foreign DNA and use their abilities so that was needed. Kabuto had Hashirama and Second Mizukage for liquification, but they probably would too strong until he got Sasuke’s body, so I could understand using the weaker Karin and Suigetsu for now. But what was the point of Jirobo? His earth jutsu aren’t anything special and Kabuto didn’t even bother to use his chakra absorption ability. Kidomaru’s spider jutsu and Tayuya’s genjutsu weren’t anything impressive either. Kimimaro was strong, but Kabuto barely even used it. Muu’s abilities are way better by comparison. His invisibility made him undetectable even by sensor-types. Only Gaara’s sand and Naruto’s emotion-sensing saw through it. Combine that with his flight jutsu and even Itachi wouldn’t have been able to even find or reach Kabuto, much less put him in Izanami. And let’s not forget that Dust Release can reduce people to atoms and can be used at a distance. Plus Muu already having earth would render Jirobo moot and that’s the only thing Kabuto used Jirobo for. And once again, it’s not the Raiton armor, but his hard body that is special about the Third Raikage. When Naruto’s FRS blew away the lightning armor, it didn’t damage his hard body at all. Literally the only thing that damaged him was his own attack. Hell, a nearly invincible body would render the need for regeneration redundant. It would also render Kimimaro redundant as Oro coveted Shikotsumyaku for the impenetrable skeletal frame which could resist physical attacks and for turning the bones into sharp spears. The Third Raikage’s hard body and piercing lightning attacks are superior to Kimimaro’s. There’s also Minato for Hiraishin and while I think it is BS that Kabuto can absorb learned abilities, he apparently can. Kabuto demonstrated use of Jirobo’s Earth jutsu and Tayuya’s flute genjutsu and Kabuto stated that it was because he absorbed their DNA, not because he learned them. Neither of those techniques are bloodline abilities. Kabuto pretty much implies that he can absorb a person’s abilities and jutsu just by absorbing their DNA.

    Kabuto was powerful, but not invincible. Itachi used Izanami because he needed to take Kabuto alive to get him to cancel the Edo Tensei. Itachi even points this out to Sasuke that they must take Kabuto alive. If he wanted to just take out Kabuto, the Totsuka Sword is basically a one-hit-kill and Yata Mirror is the ultimate defense. Though you’re right that Kabuto was probably limited by how able he could control the DNA and keep the power in check I still think Kabuto could have chosen a better combination. A few strong abilities can be superior to a lot of little ones. In any case, let’s just drop this topic. I think it’s clear neither of us will ever change our opinion on this issue and I’m not sure what else could be said that hasn’t already been said.

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